From the Beginning |
| September 3, 1930 |
Rick and Gary Long are Grandmaster Harold Long's sons. They live in Knoxville. A third son is Mick, a retired Naval officer, lives in Colorado. They have recently founded The Harold Long Foundation. All of us in Mr. Long’s lineage have our own views and impressions of the man. In this interview, Rick and Gary were asked to give their full views as they responded to the questions, and to give them the opportunity to express any additional views they wished to express. Note: These questions were answered only by Gary Long, youngest son of Harold Long and current President of the Harold Long Foundation. |
| 1-During your young age years, what was your vision of your father? |
I idolized Dad when I was a kid. He was literally bigger than life to me. I cherished the times spent with him. Unfortunately, we didn’t get to see him very much. He worked at the Sheriff’s Department during the days and ran the Dojo in the evenings. We would usually be asleep when he got home. Most of the time I got to see him was watching ballgames on TV on Sunday afternoon which was his only day off. It was also a big thrill to me when people would say I looked just like my Dad. It still makes me feel good when people say that. I always tried to make Dad proud of me in whatever I did and I never shied away from a fight when I was growing up. I was always very, very proud of Dad and wanted to be just like him. I remember when I was only 5 or 6 years old how proud I was just to walk down the sidewalk with him. I was always very proud to be Harold Long’s son; and I still am. |
| 2-Did you realize that your father would go down in history as a major force in the growth of the martial arts in the U.S? |
I didn’t think about that much when I was little but as I grew up I knew Dad was a major force in the martial arts. As far as I was concerned he was the martial arts. If you didn’t take Karate from Harold Long then you weren’t really taking karate. It seemed like all of Dad’s students always won the tournaments. They were the toughest guys on the planet and I admired all of them. When I was a kid Dad would take our family to tournaments all over the place. I remember we were usually the first people at the tournaments and the last to leave. I don’t remember where all of the tournaments were but it was always a long drive back home and it was late into the night when we got back. As the years went by Dad was inducted into all kinds of Martial Arts Hall of Fames and by then everyone realized he was a major force in the martial arts. |
| 3-Did you share his love for Isshinryu? |
I do share his love of Isshinryu and I wish I could have attained my black belt. I know that would have made Dad very proud. I have always been very proud and protective of Isshinryu Karate. Isshinryu stands alone; there is nothing else like it. It is unique. I took Karate from Alan Wheeler until just before I received my brown belt; so I took from Mr. Wheeler from the time I was 16 until I was 19 or 20. I used to work out three days a week for three or four years. I really loved it in those days. Then Dad and Mr. Wheeler had a falling out and Dad moved me to the dojo on Main Street which was not very convenient for me. About that same time I suffered a very bad knee injury at an Isshinryu Tournament in Oak Ridge. I was on crutches for about one year and it was hard to get back into working out after that because I couldn’t kick very well with my injured right leg. Then I started my college career at the University of Tennessee and after that I got married and had a family and I didn’t work out again until last year when my family started working out with Master Joe Laney. My brother Rick and I are building Harold Long Realty and I usually work about 60-70 hours a week. So, I could only work out about one day a week. Master Laney told me not to come in if I couldn’t work out at least twice a week so I had to quit. Maybe one of these days I will have the time to start taking again. For many years I sold Karate equipment for Dad at all of the tournaments. He needed the help and it kept me involved in the tournaments and with the karate folks for the next 20 years. |
| 4-When Mr. Long first introduced Isshinryu, we did everything bare knuckle. What are your thoughts about the use of pads in tournaments? |
When pads were first used I didn’t think they were necessary and it seemed down right un-Isshinryu or un-American or something. But after using them myself I could see the need for safety. Especially after being injured myself in a tournament. People have jobs to work and families to raise so the added protection is a must in this day and age. I don’t know how you old guys ever survived the early days. |
| 5-Did you want to be part of his Dojo life, or were you too young to do so? |
Dad was all business at the dojo. I didn’t want to bother him or get in his way. I wasn’t too young but it just wasn’t the right time in Dad’s life. It wasn’t long after I got my brown belt that Dad sold the Main Street Dojo to Pete Shelton and Glen Webb and he divorced my mother at the same time. So, things were very disjointed in our family at that time and it just never worked out for me to be a part of his dojo life. I did travel with Dad to tournaments for a few years but I never did very well. I was not dedicated and I would stay out and party before the tournaments and I smoked back then too. So, a lot of the competitors I fought were in better shape and they took it more serious than I did. I wasted a lot of opportunities to improve. Needless to say Dad was never very happy with my tournament record. I lost more matches than I won. |
| 6-Did you ever wish that you had trained enough in Isshinryu so that you could have continued as the leader of the system when you father passed away? |
Yes, but I never had the dedication to working out and learning the Isshinryu System that was required. I never trained very much with Dad either. He always made things harder on me and that’s one of the reasons I started working out with Mr. Wheeler. I never had a lot of fun working out in Dad’s dojo. |
| 7-What benefits did you gain as a result of the training that you did have? |
My reflexes are still remarkably good thanks to my training. I don’t underestimate anyone. I have seen a lot of guys who looked like nerds and book worms who were black belts. I am also not intimidated by anyone. I’ve had people try to intimidate me when I was in law enforcement and now that I am in business; but those people don’t stack up very well when you put them beside Harold Long. Now most everyone was intimidated by Harold Long; but if you could deal with Dad you could deal with anyone. |
Mr. Long’s lineage is probably in the tens of thousands. Some are very active, and some have faded away into the pages of history. |
| 8-How is your relationship with the senior belts in the lineage? |
I have always had great respect for all of Dad’s senior belts. Some of them I am very close to like Joe Laney, Denny Shaffer, Willie Wilson, Melbert Lee, Kelly Markham, Cas Cox, Robert Porterfield, and Glen Webb. Most of those associated with the IIKA (Tommy True, J.C. Burris, Phil McElroy and most of the other past IIKA Board Members) I know very well and have been close to over the years but now that relationship has been tarnished by the IIKA’s reluctance to honor Dad in the appropriate way or even let our family become associate members of the IIKA. For some reason they have gone out of their way to make us fell unwelcome and when they boycotted the first and second Harold Long Memorial Tournaments we knew they were trying to hurt our efforts to honor our Dad. So, it’s hard to continue a relationship with people who treat you like that. The other senior belt I have a relationship with is Phil Little. Dad promoted Phil to 10th Degree before he died and we tried real hard for a long time to help Phil. However, it eventually became apparent to us that Phil was much more interested in promoting himself than honoring Harold Long. Phil was making a spectacle of himself at a lot of Karate Tournaments and Events and was damaging the Harold Long name so we finally had to cut ties with him. I like Phil as a person but his actions showed he was not ready to use the gift Dad gave him for the betterment of Isshinryu Karate. He did just the opposite. Because of Phil’s own actions his promotion ended up being an embarrassment to our family and Dad’s lineage. Phil proved he was not ready to carry the mantle of leadership. |
| 9-Do you believe that the Karate Kas in his lineage are carrying his Isshinryu vision in the manner he would have wanted them to? |
Some of them are. The folks who are actively teaching and working in the Dojo and promoting Isshinryu Tournaments and Seminars are doing what Dad envisioned. He was trying to teach and spread Isshinryu Karate. His people that are still doing that are on the right track. When I was little Dad even had an old school bus he took his students to tournaments in. So, he was a big believer in traveling to tournaments and supporting Isshinryu in that way. I remember going to a tournament with him to New York City when I was a brown belt. He traveled with his students to Chicago, Detroit and many other places over the years. Dad traveled to California and even to Okinawa, Japan and Australia to learn and to promote Isshinryu Karate. Dad was particularly unhappy with those folks who never would go to other tournaments or travel in support of Isshinryu. A lot of those folks are the same people who have worked against our family’s efforts to promote the Harold Long Foundation. So, they have never gotten the message Dad tried to teach them. Our family is particularly grateful for all of the Karate Kas who have supported the Harold Long Foundation. |
| 10-How do you feel about the events of the past ten years in Mr. Longs Isshinryu lineage? What impact did they have on you? |
I was present when Dad promoted Phil Little and Jerry Alleio to 10th Dan Isshinryu. These were done at separate times but within a week or two of each other. I knew Dad was very unhappy with J.C. Burris and Toby Cooling just before he died and he chose to promote Phil Little, so I thought it was my duty to support Phil Little because I thought that’s what Dad wanted. I loaned Phil all of Dad’s Isshinryu memorabilia and awards and I told Phil I wanted Isshinryu people to be able to see Dad’s awards and memorabilia and nobody would see them if they were left in boxes in my basement. I told Phil I wanted him to display them in his dojo and he agreed; at least that was my understanding. I didn’t know at the time that Phil did not have a permanent dojo; he taught his classes in an armory building or something like that. So, Phil had all of Dad’s belongings in his own basement and only showed it to a very select group. That is not what I had intended at all. So, after about 8 or 9 years I asked for all of Dad’s awards and memorabilia to be returned to the Long Family; and after a period of time Phil finally did return everything to us. It was clear he didn’t want to return the items and he even told me Dad left these items to him in his will; but I have a copy of Dad’s will and he says nothing about giving all of his belongings to Phil Little. When Phil returned the items to our family he had a big event will all of his students present and with great fanfare. My brother Rick and I made the trip to South Carolina to pick up the items and before the ceremony Phil asked me to sign a statement saying he was just loaning these items back to our family and I would return them to him when I no longer needed them. I politely refused to sign this statement but I was not surprised that Phil was trying to find a way to hold on to Dad’s belongings and historical documents. In fact, Phil returned everything to us but Dad’s original 10th Dan Certificate awarded him by the IIKA. It took two more years before Phil Little was finally convinced to return Dad’s 10th Degree Certificate to us. So, that was the last straw between our family and Phil Little. We pretty much lost any respect we had for him when he pulled those two stunts. J.C. Burris and the IIKA have been a big disappointment to me as well, but in a much different way. The IIKA is made up of good people. I’ve know almost all of them my entire life and personally I like them. Mr. Burris I think was very hurt when Dad promoted Phil Little before he died. I believe Dad did this because Master Burris and Master Toby Cooling were not actively working to expand Isshinryu Karate like Dad thought they should. Dad was so upset with both of them that during the 7 weeks Dad lived with me before he passed on he would not take a phone call from either of them. I know because I was the one answering the phone most of the time. I was working mainly from my home office so I could see Dad as much as possible. They would call every few days and Dad would tell me he did not want to speak to them; so that’s what I told them. Mr. Burris, Mr. True and the other IIKA Board Members are nice to us at the tournaments but have refused to join the Harold Long Foundation and as rumor has it they have actively advised their members not to join. I think they are still trying to get back at Dad for promoting Phil Little. I know that sounds strange but that’s what I think they are doing. Why else would that not want to honor their sensei? Joe Laney and Denny Shaffer are the other Isshinryu leaders we have been close with. Joe Laney was very close to my Dad for many years before Dad died. After Dad died Master Laney also tried to help Phil Little but it finally became evident that Phil was not the man to lead Isshinryu or even someone Master Laney wanted to be associated with. Joe is such a good Harold Long Isshinryu man that our whole family became very close to him. My daughter Lindsey just got promoted to Green Belt under Master Laney and many of the member of the Long Family have taken Karate from him including my brother Rick; his daughter Riley; my wife Libby, my son Logan and myself. He’s tough, he teaches Karate the way Dad taught it; he runs a very disciplined Dojo; and he’s not in it to make money. He has taught all of our family members free of charge. Joe is also on the board of the Harold Long Foundation and he was a driving force for establishing the Harold Long Foundation. Joe also at great personal expense organized and ran the first two Harold Long Memorial Karate Tournaments. Joe and his wife Debbie have been great friends to our family and we really consider them as part of our family. They are just great people. Denny Shaffer is one of the other Isshinryu Leaders we are very close with. For many years I believe Denny is the guy Dad wanted to leave in charge of Isshinryu Karate. But then Denny had a huge national fitness business to run and for a few years he dropped out of Karate. So, I believe Dad would be very happy that Denny Shaffer is once again a major force in Isshinryu Karate and the Harold Long Foundation. Denny was always one of Dad’s favorite students. Others that come to mind are Kelly Markham who Dad told me was one of the best fighters he ever had. Dad also admired Kelly for being a good Christian and family man. I’m sure Dad would be very proud of what the Karate Five has accomplished. I have not known Master Mason very well over the years. He is a great person and I have the utmost respect for him. I grew up knowing Melbert Lee and Maurice Msarsa very well. I have just gotten to know Master Willie Wilson in the past few years and he has fast become a good friend. I think Master Wilson provides the kind of leadership Isshinryu Karate needs right now. I think Dad would really appreciate the fact the Karate Five is all about action and getting things done. |
| 11-What inspired you to create The Harold Long Foundation? |
I think it all started with some discussions between Joe & Debbie Laney and my brother Rick and I to have some way to display Dad’s memorabilia and try to keep everything together so future generations of Isshinryu Karate-Ka would know something about him. After some early discussions it just sort of took off. It would not have happened without the input and inspiration from Master Joe Laney. We all wanted to honor Dad in some way. The Laney’s wanted to honor their sensei and me and Rick wanted to honor our father. We also wanted a vehicle for all of the folks in the Harold Long Lineage to be able to rally around and show their support. It has been a labor of love for all of us and from my own standpoint I think it’s the least I can do for my Dad. |
| 12-How and where did the idea come from? |
It really came from the work we put in to get the First Harold Long Memorial Tournament off the ground. At least that’s how I remember it. We had gathered up displays of Dad’s awards and memorabilia and had discussed for some years a way to transport all of that stuff to other Isshinryu Karate-ka throughout the country so they could know something about Dad too. Once we had that going it just seemed logical to us that we needed some type of organizational structure to operate within. So, me and my two brothers and Joe and Debbie Laney made up the first board. |
| 13-What are your hopes and dreams for the Foundation? |
That it will live a lot longer than all of us who started it and that it accomplishes what my father spent his life doing; spreading the word about Isshinryu Karate. We can accomplish great things for Isshinryu Karate by promoting the legendary accomplishments of Harold Long. One of my greatest hopes and dreams for the HLF is that we can eventually get testimonies from all of the people who’s life was impacted by their association with Harold Long and what it has meant to their lives. Dad’s life and accomplishments can most effectively be told through the stories and accomplishments of his past students, family and friends. We must get as many of those stories on video so the real story of Harold Long can live forever. Hopefully, those individual stories about Grandmaster Harold Long will be viewed by Isshinryu Karate Ka for hundreds of years. Imagine what we can all learn from just those stories; and those individual stories will be a great addition to our current knowledge of who Harold Long really was. Maybe they will give us and future generations insight into the Harold Long we don’t know. I think those stories will also give us great insight into how Isshinryu Karate and Dad’s association with Grandmaster Tatsuo Shimabuku changed a small town country boy from Petros, Tennessee into a legendary martial artist. I guess my real dream is that Harold Long is never forgotten. A man like Harold Long deserves to be remembered. |
| 14-How can interested people get information about the Foundation, and how can they get in touch with you? |
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| 15-Do you have plans to reach more people from Mr. Long’s lineage to support the Foundation? |
We have made some preliminary plans to contact members of the Harold Long lineage and we have contacted many of them; but we have really only scratched the surface. |
| 16-Have you considered for the Foundation to sponsor a tournament with all the proceeds going to the Foundation? |
That was really what the Harold Long Memorial Tournaments were supposed to do but with the IIKA boycotting our tournaments we didn’t make much money. I think we would be very receptive to doing this again in the future if we can find the right tournament and the right situation. It’s an idea we certainly need to consider pursuing in the near future. |
| 17-Explain to us the tie between the Foundation and the Isshinryu Cross Training Alliance. Does the same Board govern both? |
No. the boards are separate. I am not part of the ICTA nor do I serve on its board. Denny Shaffer, Joe Laney and Wayne Wayland are on both boards. The HLF benefits from the Isshinryu Cross Training Alliance because they donate the money they raise from their memberships and seminars into the Harold Long Foundation. The Long Family is very indebted to Denny Shaffer, Joe Laney and all of the members of the Isshinryu Cross Training Alliance for their financial support of the Harold Long Foundation. |
18-The Foundation co-sponsored the banquet at the Bohan-Niemira Memorial Tournament. Is that something you would consider doing more of? |
That was a special situation that was set up by Wayne Wayland who organized and ran the Bohan-Niemira Tournament and is also on the Harold Long Foundation Board. I think we would seriously consider sponsoring something similar as long as it did not involve a large cash outlay from the Harold Long Foundation. |
19-Before Mr. Long passed away, he spent the last few months in your (Gary’s) home. In your Isshinryu and lineage discussions, did he reveal anything that is worthy of sharing with us? |
Dad actually lived with me the last 7 weeks of his life. During that time he promoted Dr. Jerry Alleio and Phil Little to 10th Dan. He also refused to take calls from J.C. Burris and Toby Cooling. Those were the most important things that I can related regarding the ineage of Isshinryu Karate during this time. |
| 20-How did faith play a part in Mr. Long’s life? |
Dad’s faith grew as he got older. When I was growing up Mom took us to church every Sunday. Dad did not go with us very often. Later in life he was an usher at a small Baptist Church in Sunbright, TN and he took an active role in the church service when he was at the Naval-Marine Retirement Home in Mississippi before his passing. I had a conversation with Dad a couple of years before he died and he believed the Good Lord was keeping him on this earth as long as he had something he wanted him to accomplish. When his work was done he was called home. Dad was always a believer in Jesus Christ and the savior was more a part of his life as the years went by. |
| 21-What is your opinion of the organizations and functions that Mr. Long founded? |
I am very proud the IIKA and the Isshinryu Hall of Fame are doing well. I hope the IIKA survives and grows after its present governing board retires. It will be a real testament to Dad’s legacy if the next generation is able to do even more than Dad’s first generation students have done. I hope both of these organizations can stand the test of time. |
| 22-Are they acting and performing as per his vision? |
I think the Isshinryu Hall of Fame is probably performing closer to Dad’s vision of what it should be doing. I think he would probably be disappointed the IIKA is not reaching out and spreading Isshinryu Karate in a more active manner. |
| 23-In your opinion, what is Mr. Long’s legacy? |
That’s a hard question for me to answer. I think we are all Harold Long’s Legacy. The Karate Five is his legacy, Denny Shaffer is his legacy, Joe Laney is his legacy, the Harold Long Foundation is his legacy, the IIKA is his legacy; the Isshinryu Hall of Fame is his legacy; all of his students and family are his legacy. The lives he touched and the relationships he made with all of us are his legacy. Like most people, I am very proud to be part of the Harold Long Legacy. I hope we don’t let him down! |
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